Communications/Other 6 May 2006
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Log of an IRC discussion on freenode which started in ##newzealand, and was moved to #wikimedia-nz in relation to incorporation and fundraising ideas. (Personal information + non related information stripped)
May 06 22:57:01 Nigel BrianNewZealand, i notice there are a few more for a WM-NZ branch May 06 23:00:17 BrianNewZealand Cool! May 06 23:01:16 BrianNewZealand We need at least 15 people IMO (then we could become incorpoated) May 06 23:05:59 edmund WM-NZ? May 06 23:06:56 Nigel Wikimedia May 06 23:07:22 BrianNewZealand Wikimedia New Zealand http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_New_Zealand May 06 23:07:25 Nigel BrianNewZealand, shall we force a signature out of each of these guys? May 06 23:07:41 Nigel only need 8 more :P May 06 23:07:55 BrianNewZealand :) May 06 23:08:01 Nigel BrianNewZealand, hope you don't mind, i changed the bullets to number's May 06 23:08:30 BrianNewZealand Good Idea :) May 06 23:09:12 BrianNewZealand btw they set up a mailing list, but it does not work :D May 06 23:09:22 Nigel BrianNewZealand, linky? May 06 23:10:53 BrianNewZealand http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedianz-l May 06 23:11:59 Nigel oh right, btw, you might find http://www.nzcs.org.nz/SITE_Default/x-files/16845.pdf interesting (NZCS constitution) May 06 23:13:02 BrianNewZealand looks May 06 23:13:25 Nigel (it's actually a proposed one) May 06 23:12:55 Nigel actually lets move the discussion here... May 06 23:14:03 Nigel looking at the Draft Constitution, for Wikimedia-NZ, maybe rename the Junior Member to "Student" May 06 23:14:19 BrianNewZealand Nod May 06 23:14:54 Nigel inclusive of High School, Teritary, and if the need be, any other person under 18, that does not meet the other criteria May 06 23:15:08 Nigel so aka, a 20 year old Auckland Uni student could join as a Student member May 06 23:15:51 BrianNewZealand I agree with that May 06 23:16:10 BrianNewZealand Full time student,or part time as well? May 06 23:16:38 Nigel ummmm, good point, Full Time, MoE version, aka 20+ hours/wk May 06 23:16:49 BrianNewZealand nod May 06 23:17:53 BrianNewZealand Still keep all classes of membership equal, (i.e. a student can still get on committee etc ) ? May 06 23:18:21 Nigel the committee section, should notice be more like a week? May 06 23:18:53 Nigel well i guess so, the only problem is.... May 06 23:19:33 Nigel there is a section in the Companies Act that prevents <18's from been director, i wonder if the same is true for committee members of a society May 06 23:20:58 BrianNewZealand okay, to be on the committee you need to be 18+, so a 20 yr student can be on May 06 23:21:19 Nigel did you just check that? May 06 23:21:50 BrianNewZealand I'll check the Act now May 06 23:23:43 Nigel hmmmm.... May 06 23:24:08 Nigel it seems that a PO Box is needed, and at least funding of 100dollars to incorporate May 06 23:25:10 BrianNewZealand The $100 is the set up fee (about 110 IIRC) May 06 23:25:23 Nigel actualy sorry, PO Box isn't required May 06 23:26:36 BrianNewZealand "This must be an actual physical address e.g. "6 High Street, Wellington". It canâ€™t be a post office box, private bag or DX address." :) May 06 23:26:47 Nigel right, but check down later May 06 23:28:07 BrianNewZealand http://www.societies.govt.nz <-- has lots of info May 06 23:29:11 Nigel i know May 06 23:29:21 BrianNewZealand :) May 06 23:29:41 BrianNewZealand I cant see an age limit on the site, still looking May 06 23:31:36 Nigel looking at the Incorpated Societies Act, and i can't see one either May 06 23:33:47 Nigel The best, could be that the roles of Chairperson, Secretary & Treasurer cannot be held by a person under the age of 18 May 06 23:34:18 BrianNewZealand agreed May 06 23:35:01 Nigel The other thing is, alright fair enough having corporate membership, but also what about "Member of Affiliated Company" May 06 23:35:48 Nigel so i.e. if NZ Post joins the society, then Joe Bloggs who works for NZ Post, and can prove it, gets say a discounted membership May 06 23:36:33 BrianNewZealand makes senses May 06 23:36:51 Nigel (something that the NZCS does) May 06 23:39:37 BrianNewZealand Okay I have made a couple of changes, renamed memvership class to Student, made meetings 7 days notice, and added a bit about rolls of the Officers May 06 23:43:26 Nigel wheres this Electronic Meeting Handbook thingy? May 06 23:44:43 BrianNewZealand Will need to be written, when we decide what goes in there May 06 23:45:59 Nigel alright, well there is one problem (and solution) that i can see... May 06 23:46:22 BrianNewZealand okay? May 06 23:46:55 Nigel the location of such meetings (i'm asuming on IRC?), and the identity of the members May 06 23:47:25 BrianNewZealand yes May 06 23:48:32 BrianNewZealand that could be a prob May 06 23:49:26 Nigel one solution, would be that members that wish to participate in an Electronic Meeting, must register a PGP/GPG public key with the society, and before a meeting digitally sign (with their private key) something to the effect of "Yes, I Nigel Jones, a member of Wikimedia New Zealand branch, is presently participating in the Annual General Meeting held on the Freenode IRC Network, in the channel #wikimedia-nz-agm on the 17th May 200 May 06 23:49:26 Nigel 6" May 06 23:50:10 BrianNewZealand nod, That could work May 06 23:50:17 Nigel and stuff like "I agree, that any votes made during the meeting, are binding etc" May 06 23:51:26 BrianNewZealand We, would tell people, who dont know, how to get a key, but that shoulnt be to hard May 06 23:51:37 Nigel exactly May 06 23:52:55 Nigel other thing would be, would be confidentiality of ballots etc May 06 23:53:15 Nigel although that could be acomplished by a "vote bot" or something May 06 23:53:33 Nigel where you message say "VOTE item1 affirm" May 06 23:53:39 Nigel to the bot May 06 23:54:22 BrianNewZealand nod, that would work, or have something similar of a webiste May 06 23:54:34 Nigel nah, AGM stuff has to be fairly live May 06 23:55:50 BrianNewZealand We would need to apoint a returning officer still, to certify the votes May 06 23:57:20 Nigel which would then be look over by the auditor May 06 23:58:57 Nigel the other important thing is fundraising and distribution of fund May 06 23:59:02 Nigel *funds May 07 00:00:26 BrianNewZealand We should see about applying to IRD for tax extemt status May 07 00:00:47 Nigel good point May 07 00:01:34 Nigel "Non-profit organisations may be incorporated or unincorporated. May 07 00:01:34 Nigel " May 07 00:02:33 Nigel http://www.ird.govt.nz/notforprofits/bit-taxrates-non-profittax.html May 07 00:03:24 Nigel IR596 for the IRD Number, that should be easy enough to do May 07 00:03:40 Nigel "We will send confirmation of your IRD number within 8-10 working days of receiving the application form. May 07 00:03:40 Nigel " May 07 00:04:33 Nigel btw, i'll just point out that i'm slightly under 18, but i think that a NZ Branch would be important May 07 00:06:08 BrianNewZealand :) I am also just under 18, I support the Idea of a NZ Wikimedia aswell May 07 00:08:46 Nigel Student? May 07 00:09:08 BrianNewZealand Vasty next year (highschool currently :) May 07 00:09:32 Nigel ahhh right, i skipped Year 13 May 07 00:10:50 Nigel i'm currently studying a DipIT May 07 00:23:08 Nigel so yeah, i quite like the idea of a New Zealand wikimedia May 07 00:24:15 BrianNewZealand btw the Aussies are well on there way to getting Wikimedia AU set up May 07 00:28:07 Nigel so i have read May 07 00:29:42 Nigel Wikimedia UK was setup as a company May 07 00:30:26 BrianNewZealand I saw, that would be costly to do through May 07 00:32:06 Nigel I think it'd be best off as a Society May 07 00:33:06 BrianNewZealand I agree with going with society, its the best for WMNZ May 07 00:33:58 Nigel you know what could be a really cool fundraising idea, time intenstive, but hell, it could be really worth it.... compliation of study guides, based on content from Wikipedia, NZ related, sell it as education resources May 07 00:34:16 Nigel it would be even better when the Maori wiki is in full swing May 07 00:35:04 Nigel like you know how we have had to endue long long studies on the Treaty etc, items like that May 07 00:35:46 BrianNewZealand I just done a 1500 word essay of the tready for History :) I used wikipedia alot May 07 00:36:41 Nigel right so you know what i mean May 07 00:36:52 Nigel same can be done for science etc May 07 00:37:13 BrianNewZealand We could sent out lettets to Maori Teachers in schools, inviting them, and there students to go on mi, same for other sybjects May 07 00:38:23 Nigel actually, thats something.... one thing we need to work out, is if as mi, is directly under New Zealand, is if the Wikimedia NZ Branch could be basicly a co-nanny of mi... May 07 00:39:33 Nigel i wonder what publishing companies would kinda do what i described May 07 00:40:45 BrianNewZealand I think we would have some say on projects effecting NZ, <reads the FAQ> May 07 00:41:04 Nigel on the other hand, who says it has to be printed May 07 00:41:23 Nigel PDF Study Guide May 07 00:41:35 Nigel MoE wants IT intergrated into education more May 07 00:41:43 BrianNewZealand DVD/CD even May 07 00:41:53 Nigel yeah exactly, PDF on CD May 07 00:42:43 Nigel they could be done on a school license May 07 00:43:04 Nigel what the cost of a properly done CD these days, max $5/cd? May 07 00:43:12 BrianNewZealand We could run off a few on someones DVD recorder, for examples, and see if anyones intrested May 07 00:43:30 Nigel you know, with the art on the CD May 07 00:43:51 Nigel (printed is the term i'm after) May 07 00:44:22 BrianNewZealand Well you can have labels :P May 07 00:44:52 Nigel add a $5 markup, and well WMNZ would have quite a nice funding profit May 07 00:45:52 Nigel basicly say a $10 base license for Wikimedia NZ resources (one off account management fee), then $10/cd (including p&p) May 07 00:45:59 BrianNewZealand Some People would not be intrested "What wrong with good old books" May 07 00:46:46 Nigel but the thing is, MoE want computers in the schoolplace May 07 00:47:27 BrianNewZealand If we get the ministry on board... :) May 07 00:47:31 Nigel actually, maybe even 10 dollars is too much, i dunno May 07 00:48:05 Nigel but also, if the product was so good, teachers may buy class sets May 07 00:48:33 BrianNewZealand If they have a CD, what would stop them going online insteed May 07 00:48:42 Nigel well i mean, you know, instead of students buying textbooks thru the school, they buy the CD May 07 00:49:20 Nigel well i guess, part of the deal could be that they are formatted, in a more educational way, or something like that May 07 00:49:38 Nigel the other way is, a school gets the CD, and prints out a couple of class sets May 07 00:49:46 BrianNewZealand we could also add quizs and stuff May 07 00:49:59 Nigel (maybe the better way) May 07 00:50:51 Nigel like what school wouldn't pay $10 for decent resources on a certain subject May 07 00:51:05 Nigel decent general resources May 07 00:51:24 Nigel like they'd be handy for a schools 'elibrary' May 07 00:51:38 * Nigel marks that idea up on the board :P May 07 00:51:48 BrianNewZealand Next to encata and stuff May 07 00:53:15 Nigel schools don't normally get the latest and greatest of that sorta stuff May 07 00:55:25 BrianNewZealand jees its 1am allready :) May 07 00:56:56 Nigel wow crap, so it is May 07 01:09:38 Nigel I think i might try to be a little artistic and see if i can do a logo for "Wikimedia NZ"